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	<title>Comments on: On the occasion of being used: speaking back to feminist men</title>
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		<title>By: Jasper Gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.melissagira.com/2009/08/22/on-the-occasion-of-being-used-speaking-back-to-feminist-men/comment-page-1/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled upon your article while sex-negativity within the fat acceptance movement. I do not know why Google sent me here. But anyway... Your prose is entertaining and kudos to you for speaking truth to sex-negative, civil liberty negative PC power. But, I really, really wonder how relevant Brannon&#039;s sex is to your critique. You could have documented his scary sex-negative ideology without bringing focusing on how his behavior fits with stereotypical male behavior. Your narrative seems to posit his MAB-ness (Male At Birth*) as the cause of his behavior. Taking a snarky swipe at a MAB feminist plays well to the peanut galleries and generates the necessary comments of &quot;Yeah! fucking male assholes! Who do they think they are?&quot;, but it really fucks things up for a MAB Genderqueer like me, for politically aware Transwomen and for man-identified progressives.
Brannon would have been just as sanctimonious and annoying if she had been anti-porn FAB RadFem. If overcompensation is at play than we can also look at why MAB Feminists feel the need to overcompensate. 
Your Truly, 
Jasper Gregory

*MAB = Male At Birth. I use it or MAAB not for PC reasons, but because it seems to be acceptable to both Trans Activists and their RadFem opponents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled upon your article while sex-negativity within the fat acceptance movement. I do not know why Google sent me here. But anyway&#8230; Your prose is entertaining and kudos to you for speaking truth to sex-negative, civil liberty negative PC power. But, I really, really wonder how relevant Brannon&#8217;s sex is to your critique. You could have documented his scary sex-negative ideology without bringing focusing on how his behavior fits with stereotypical male behavior. Your narrative seems to posit his MAB-ness (Male At Birth*) as the cause of his behavior. Taking a snarky swipe at a MAB feminist plays well to the peanut galleries and generates the necessary comments of &#8220;Yeah! fucking male assholes! Who do they think they are?&#8221;, but it really fucks things up for a MAB Genderqueer like me, for politically aware Transwomen and for man-identified progressives.<br />
Brannon would have been just as sanctimonious and annoying if she had been anti-porn FAB RadFem. If overcompensation is at play than we can also look at why MAB Feminists feel the need to overcompensate.<br />
Your Truly,<br />
Jasper Gregory</p>
<p>*MAB = Male At Birth. I use it or MAAB not for PC reasons, but because it seems to be acceptable to both Trans Activists and their RadFem opponents</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid men like that are part of what gives feminists a bad name, and why i no longer self identify as one, a movement that used to be about equal rights for women has become about PC sanctimony, and replacing patriarchy with matriarchy. If one tries to be a reasonable excuse for a human being, true feminist principles come naturally, and i don&#039;t expect to be congratulated for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid men like that are part of what gives feminists a bad name, and why i no longer self identify as one, a movement that used to be about equal rights for women has become about PC sanctimony, and replacing patriarchy with matriarchy. If one tries to be a reasonable excuse for a human being, true feminist principles come naturally, and i don&#8217;t expect to be congratulated for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Caty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I facebooked this link in all its glory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I facebooked this link in all its glory.</p>
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		<title>By: Nayagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nayagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears Paola is accusing you of hailing from Canada.  It&#039;s a serious charge.

I think you experienced something that all members of &#039;fringe&#039; phenomenon do when outsiders are seemingly authorized to deliver the macro view, they do so vociferously and with the sanctimonious airs of Woodrow Wilson and his little brown brothers the world &#039;round.

or am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears Paola is accusing you of hailing from Canada.  It&#8217;s a serious charge.</p>
<p>I think you experienced something that all members of &#8216;fringe&#8217; phenomenon do when outsiders are seemingly authorized to deliver the macro view, they do so vociferously and with the sanctimonious airs of Woodrow Wilson and his little brown brothers the world &#8217;round.</p>
<p>or am I wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Gira Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Gira Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paola --

You&#039;re correct, I did enjoy popular music as a teenager. I still do to this day. This must explain why I am such a terrible activist.

I admit this blog entry isn&#039;t the best way to get to know the whole of my work as a human rights activist, but I&#039;m not sure how I can begin to address your comment. You came here with a load of assumptions about my experience and privilege and didn&#039;t unload any information about your own. 

Starting with questions would get you some answers, maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paola &#8211;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re correct, I did enjoy popular music as a teenager. I still do to this day. This must explain why I am such a terrible activist.</p>
<p>I admit this blog entry isn&#8217;t the best way to get to know the whole of my work as a human rights activist, but I&#8217;m not sure how I can begin to address your comment. You came here with a load of assumptions about my experience and privilege and didn&#8217;t unload any information about your own. </p>
<p>Starting with questions would get you some answers, maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Paola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh-oh, looks like someone is very, very deluded.

Darling, having gone to a higschool that had &quot;a paste-up riot grrrl inflected underground newspaper&quot; and where a friend &quot;from  Gay/Straight Alliance turned [you] on to Patti Smith, Sonic Youth, and Huggy Bear&quot; doesn&#039;t establish your &quot;cred.&quot;

Far, far from it!

Rather it shows that you come from a background of some privilege and great whiteness, utterly unlike that of the vast majority of &quot;sex workers&quot;, in America and throughout the world.  You&#039;d be hardpressed to come up with anything that demonstrates less &quot;cred&quot; actually.

The post further demonstrates that while you really, really enjoy talking about yourself, the process doesn&#039;t seem to have given you much insight into yourself. Or the world. Or how things work.

On the plus, side you are one fucking funny princess and all around droning narcissist.  

Please keep the laughs and horrifically misguided self-promotion coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh-oh, looks like someone is very, very deluded.</p>
<p>Darling, having gone to a higschool that had &#8220;a paste-up riot grrrl inflected underground newspaper&#8221; and where a friend &#8220;from  Gay/Straight Alliance turned [you] on to Patti Smith, Sonic Youth, and Huggy Bear&#8221; doesn&#8217;t establish your &#8220;cred.&#8221;</p>
<p>Far, far from it!</p>
<p>Rather it shows that you come from a background of some privilege and great whiteness, utterly unlike that of the vast majority of &#8220;sex workers&#8221;, in America and throughout the world.  You&#8217;d be hardpressed to come up with anything that demonstrates less &#8220;cred&#8221; actually.</p>
<p>The post further demonstrates that while you really, really enjoy talking about yourself, the process doesn&#8217;t seem to have given you much insight into yourself. Or the world. Or how things work.</p>
<p>On the plus, side you are one fucking funny princess and all around droning narcissist.  </p>
<p>Please keep the laughs and horrifically misguided self-promotion coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this. When I sought assistance for domestic violence, my caseworker or whatever her title was, actively didn&#039;t like my rejection of the dominant narrative. I was supposed to be a victim, and act like one, not demand better services and break the fourth wall by having agency and making nuanced choices and wanting to understand the role of culture and wondering where the perpetrator services were, because there were none in NYC if you were not involved with the legal system. Victim, dammit, victim!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this. When I sought assistance for domestic violence, my caseworker or whatever her title was, actively didn&#8217;t like my rejection of the dominant narrative. I was supposed to be a victim, and act like one, not demand better services and break the fourth wall by having agency and making nuanced choices and wanting to understand the role of culture and wondering where the perpetrator services were, because there were none in NYC if you were not involved with the legal system. Victim, dammit, victim!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aric Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aric Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa,

Thanks for responding. I am in total agreement about the dubiousness of police involvement or any kind of &quot;enforcement&quot; on issues like this - with the possible exception of enforcement on the client side. I am in full support of arresting men who go abroad to avail themselves of sex workers who are often underage slaves.

Double thanks for pointing out ways I can listen. You&#039;re right of course that being &quot;invisible&quot; is mostly a function of society not paying attention.

I was once told that men can have a place in the feminist movement - doing the photocopying and fetching coffee. A joke, obviously, but one with a legitimate point. I am continually reminded just how poor a job I&#039;m doing of shutting up and listening. As &quot;Used My Ass!&quot; has said I cannot and should not speak for, well, anyone but myself. Even so I muddle along hoping to be corrected when necessary, but also actively trying to help my sons and my friends be better human beings. Sometimes that involves attempting to impart my best understanding of the experience of women and strangers. The act of imagining another person&#039;s experience is crucial to the development of empathy. How else are we supposed to get better at this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa,</p>
<p>Thanks for responding. I am in total agreement about the dubiousness of police involvement or any kind of &#8220;enforcement&#8221; on issues like this &#8211; with the possible exception of enforcement on the client side. I am in full support of arresting men who go abroad to avail themselves of sex workers who are often underage slaves.</p>
<p>Double thanks for pointing out ways I can listen. You&#8217;re right of course that being &#8220;invisible&#8221; is mostly a function of society not paying attention.</p>
<p>I was once told that men can have a place in the feminist movement &#8211; doing the photocopying and fetching coffee. A joke, obviously, but one with a legitimate point. I am continually reminded just how poor a job I&#8217;m doing of shutting up and listening. As &#8220;Used My Ass!&#8221; has said I cannot and should not speak for, well, anyone but myself. Even so I muddle along hoping to be corrected when necessary, but also actively trying to help my sons and my friends be better human beings. Sometimes that involves attempting to impart my best understanding of the experience of women and strangers. The act of imagining another person&#8217;s experience is crucial to the development of empathy. How else are we supposed to get better at this?</p>
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		<title>By: Used My Ass!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Used My Ass!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I doubt that men can, really, be feminists. They are not women, cannot and should not speak for us, and DEFINITELY have no place building careers off &quot;saving&quot; us. They can certainly be allies (though this man is not, given the true colors that emerged), but how can they be feminists when they don&#039;t even understand us--or care to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I doubt that men can, really, be feminists. They are not women, cannot and should not speak for us, and DEFINITELY have no place building careers off &#8220;saving&#8221; us. They can certainly be allies (though this man is not, given the true colors that emerged), but how can they be feminists when they don&#8217;t even understand us&#8211;or care to?</p>
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